The “Super Apostle” and their dangerous theologies

Posted: January 25, 2010 in Cult, Deception, Discernment, False doctrines, Leaving a cult

There are some very informational links and resources out there that very accurately address the issue of control (particularly mind control) and how it works (whether it be in a relationship, a workplace, a church or other organization). In this post, I am going to feature a couple of article links that address topics which I find very prevalent in the body of believers today.

One of my blog readers sent me a great link this week which I’m going to pass along to all of you. This article addresses some very common trends seen within cults and “churches” that operate like cults. It highlights topics such as:

The “Super Apostles” and church government
Abusive authority by leaders
The often mis-quoted mantra of “Don’t Touch the L-rd’s Anointed”
“Umbrellas of Divine Protection”
“Thus Saying the L-rd” words, warnings and instructions
…and much more

I think this article (link above) is very to the point and doesn’t tangent off and hits the heart of some big issues so I will just let you read it in its entirety and omit my commentary on this one. Prayerfully consider the info in the article and let the Spirit (Ruach) of G-d show you any areas where you may be witnessing or experiencing these abuses of power in your own life. As with all sources I refer to or link to, I do not necessarily uphold or endorse that site or organization in its entirety but do want to call to your attention a particular aspect or article of interest. Don’t throw your discernment out the window. Always read everything prayerfully and line it up with the plum-line of scripture.

I also came across an article that contains some helpful information on How Cults Work which helps to distinguish the different types of cults which still clearly fall within that label because of their abusive and heretical practices. It’s an informative read…especially for those who are new to the understanding of exactly how a cult is defined and what the characteristics are to watch for and be aware of.

  1. Sara says:

    A related post about the New Testament pattern of building a church.

  2. Sara says:

    Hello Ariel,

    I have been reading your blog for the last couple of days and I must say I am stunned as well as in awe of how God is using you to bring forth the truth.

    I printed out the “Attack of the Super Apostles” article to read and study. I believe it is 16 pages of “well worth the read” material.

    This whole new apostolic “movement” is very much an end time delusion and masses have fallen into it and are falling for it. The Lord gave me a dream that I posted on my blog about how many of the “sheep” are not really saved because of the way the church is FORNICATING with them. It is a terrible situation and it leaves me sick inside.

    I am seeing that long time Christians are falling for it also. Do they not know the word of God? Do they have a love of the truth? Have they taken God’s instructions for granted and not obeyed the commandment to do as Matthew 4:4 states? “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

    Paul also warned to be careful to stay with the foundation (church structure) that was laid in Jesus. (1 Cor 3:9-12) The New Testament is full of scriptures on how a church (ministry) is to be structured and operate. Just because it is 2000 years later does not mean that God is going to wink at those who are not abiding by His instructions. He laid this sure foundation so that deception, abuse and heresy could be avoided.

    As you probably already know the whole book of 2 Timothy is exactly what we see playing out in this time. Men will just not accept sound doctrine and we are warned to:

    2 Ti 1:13 Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.

    2 Ti 2:2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

    TODAY- every Christian needs to be asking themselves this question: “Who are those men, women or ministries TODAY that would fit the BIBLICAL description of those who are deceiving according to the scriptures that warn us?”

    Jesus warns- Mat 24- verses 4, 5, 10, 11, 24
    Paul warns- Act 20: 29-30, 1 Tim 4:1-2, 2 Tim 4:1-5
    Peter warns- 2 Peter 1:12, 2 Peter 2:3, 2 Timothy 3:1-2, 2 Peter 3:15-18
    John warns- 2 John 1:9-10
    Jude warns- Jude 1:1-4, Jude 17-19

    I believe what is starting to happen is that God is bringing His ones out of this mess and they are going to need to be healed and delivered and ministered to.

    As a whistle blower you are playing an important part of that process. I pray that God will protect you and lift you up to continue in this for His glory.

    I also pray that this information will get spread far and wide and that IHOP’s funding will dry up. Hopefully parents will get wind of it and protect their kids from getting ensnared.

    I doubt that they will change because evidently there is no profit in the truth any more!!

    Eventually they will fail because the whole structure of their ministry is not set up as Paul had established that churches (ministries) should be structured.

    If only people understood the way the foundation was laid in THE WORD about how a true church is to operate. They would not be falling for this deception.

    Read the Word people!

    Stay strong!
    God bless!
    In Christ, Sara


  3. cheaperdozen says:

    Just want to add that I am watching many of the current discussions on the blogs mentioned and I am DELIGHTED to have the “Ernie Gruen” document being discussed again, openly. I mean, really, Thank you, Thank you, Jesus. IHOP is the movement that just won’t go away. I have tried to distance myself from it, for years, and the fall-out just keeps getting bigger and the people crossing my personal path are being affected adversely. Having this document be discussed is evidence of God’s grace in the midst of serious, glossed over, error. Just had to vent. I fell better, now.

  4. Absolutely agree with what you reported. Your explanation was certainly the simplest to understand. I say to you, I always get annoyed when individuals talk about stuff that they obviously have no idea about. You were able to hit the nail right on the head and rolled out everything clearly. I hope, people can take a cue. Will be back to get more. Keep writing

  5. Elizabeth says:


    Here is an interesting link. It is the entire letter that Ernie Gruen sent out about the problems with Mike Bickle even before IHOP broke off of the church. I wish I had read this before we went to IHOP. It would have changes some things.

    Pastor Gruen tried every Biblical way to call attention to the serious problems with Mike Bickle’s teachings. It contains a lot of interesting information

    • Ariel says:

      Thanks for posting Elizabeth. Yes, I have read it and unfortunately Mike Bickle (and others) worked so hard to discredit Ernie after it went public that many do not give it the sincere observation and attention that his hours of research deserve. I appreciate you sharing it.

  6. Concerned Believer says:

    I just stumbled across your blog in researching IHOP. I have friends who moved to Kansas City years ago to be a part of that ministry and immediately had concerns based on some of the descriptions. I also have a friend working for Rick Joyner’s ministry in the Charlotte area and I’m not surprised to find so many connections. The greatest red flag from my conversations with these individuals is an unhealthy pursuit of experiences and hidden knowledge or power. It used to be that they went to events or outpourings like Brownsville or Lakeland. Now everything seems to be manufactured on campuses.

    • Ariel says:

      Dear Concerned, that is a major red flag, I agree. When euphoric, trance-like “spiritual experiences” trump the truth of scripture, alarms should certainly be going off. The sad thing is, many are deaf to them and while the sirens that warn of deception blare, many wander aimlessly hearing only the repetitive mantras and the “divine words” that they have convinced themselves to be the voice of G-d.

  7. cheaperdozen says:

    Two things struck me when reading the first article mentioned: How very “catholic” this governmental structure is. It’s like “Catholic Church Domination, Reloaded.”

    Also, the “respecter of persons” aspect. Back in the early days of KCF (Mike Bickle’s original church in Kansas City where the Kansas City prophets got their start), we had a number of Kansas City Chiefs football players that attended. Whenever the “prophets” were giving words to the audience, (usually on a special occasion) these men were ALWAYS called out and given lofty words, esp. regarding their careers not ending in injury.

    Now, the “prophet,” would not only be wowing the football player, but also the audience, knowing who these men were. The whole time, the prophet, appeared unaware of their fame.

    The nobodies in the audience were rarely prophesied to. The people with the most recognition, were often prophesied to.

    • Hadar says:

      It is smart profitcy to wow the football players. They also have the biggest pocket books. They aren’t called profits (prophets) for nothing.